With possibly the most transparent affiliate network online, we give affiliates access to stats no other program dare, including earning data, conversion stats, demographic information and seasonality trends. With ethics and consumer protection being high on the agenda, you can rest assured when working with MoreNiche you are working with an honest, trustworthy and transparent company.
I would not recommend this company at all. Wealthy affiliate charge a fortune for their training modules/products. I have been bombarded with emails that are basically spam about 5 times a day since I created an account. I just cannot get Kyle and the other team members to stop sending me emails. After signing for an account I decided to go for a cheaper course with DS dropshipper.
Hey Frank, I am writing to you because I have also been struggling with Inbox Dollars. As you mentioned they should have called it Inbox Pennies. After trying the inbox site and finding out that more than half the time I’m not qualifying for the surveys, I have become quite frustrated. Also the spinning billy is a barrel of laughs! Another reason I am contacting you is in the hopes that Wealthy Affiliate is on the up and up. I have tried a few other online money makers that I payed for, but backed out after learning more about them. I am disabled and in dire need of more supplemental income. Hoping this site is really legit. Hopes for the future, Duane.
When do you want to get started?  If you are just starting and have no audience then some of the programs may not accept your application to become an affiliate, while others will let you get set up in minutes.  If you want to get started straight away then make sure you’re applying for programs that are less restrictive. Generally the larger, network style places will enable you to get going quickly while specific niche programs may require you to have a certain audience size or characteristics.
I found the course extremely helpful especially as i am a beginner. Lisa is excellent at explaining which is important when you are starting out. She has made me understand the importance of finding the right niche and that to me is where most of us go wrong. I am extremely grateful for a course like this and would like to take this opportunity to thank you Lisa for creating a course that helps others! – Michelle
Again, Affilorama is a good program, it’s just a little more expensive. And the other main reason I’d recommend Wealthy Affiliate is because the owners are very active in the community (Kyle regularly joins the live chat to speak with members and answer questions) while Mark Link (Affilorama’s founder) is less involved. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a really good affiliate marketer… he just has several other projects he puts his time into. The community overall in Wealthy Affiliate is just far more active.
In addition, the internet allows you to contact your customers more in comparison to how you would contact them traditionally. Online communication is more affordable than traditional communication methods such as sending mail and printing brochures. For example, you can send the same information in an email rather than a mail-out, saving you on printing, paper, and postage. 

Best Forex Partners (BFP) was established in 2011 by a group of international financiers and global online marketing professionals who saw a need to change the nature of affiliate marketing for the better.  In a few short years they combined their over 60 years of combined financial and marketing experience to create a new way to affiliate market and have never looked back!
As an added advantage, reviews tend to rank well for product searches, so provided you build a popular blog the reviews you write should bring in highly targeted visitors from the search engines. Search visitors hunting for product information are generally buyers, they may not stick around your blog for long, but they will click affiliate links and buy things if shopping is the motivation that originally brought them to your blog.
Their schtick is simple. You want a sports car in your garage? Get 100 people signed up with ClickFunnels, and get $500/month for your dream car. Once you have 200 people signed up, get $1000/month for your dream car. There’s no cash out option. So there’s no excuse for not spending every single penny of that $1000/month on the most amazing car you can get your hands on.

After that, you need to make a choice about how to construct an online presence that helps you achieve that goal. Maybe you need to set up an e-commerce site. If you’re interested in publishing content to drive awareness and subscribers, look into setting up a blog. A simple website or landing page with a lead capture form can help you start developing your brand and generating traffic. A basic analytics platform (like Google Analytics, which is free) can help you start to measure how you are tracking towards your initial goal.
Alex Genadinik has taught over 100,000 students online, is a 3 time best selling Amazon author and host of a popular business channel on YouTube. Through this course, he wants to teach you strategies for generating residual passive income by setting up your home business. He will also teach you how to find profitable niches and products on Amazon, Clickbank and other platforms.

Okay, if you're still with me, fantastic. You're one of the few that doesn't mind wading through a little bit of hopeless murkiness to reemerge on the shores of hope. But before we jump too far ahead, it's important to understand what online marketing is and what it isn't. That definition provides a core understanding of what it takes to peddle anything on the web, whether it's a product, service or information.
I first joined Wealthy Affiliate in June of 2016 mostly to just see what it was all about. I signed up for a free account at Wealthy Affiliate but upgraded to their paid Premium membership the very next day. Now that I’ve been with Wealthy Affiliate for about 7 months, I decided it’s finally time to write a Wealthy Affiliate review with my findings on whether this is a good program to sign up with or not.
There’s definitely money to be made with what they teach but because you’re 100% dependent on paid traffic, its also big risks and doing affiliate on paid traffic is definitely not the easiest business model out there because you’re only working with very slim margins. Anyway here’s an example of an Ad I created with Gerry and my MentorMe coach Nick.
Affilorama is similar to Wealthy Affiliate in that it’s niche focused and it’s not about selling other people into the Affilorama so those people can get more members and have the cycle keep going… Like Wealthy Affiliate they also have an affiliate program and you can choose to promote them if you like, but it’s not primary reason that Affilorama exists.
While on-page SEO is like the body of car, off-page SEO is like the engine. Without a solid foundational body, the entire site will fall apart. But with no off-page SEO, the beautiful website will just sit there going unnoticed. Despite what you might have heard, links are still one of the biggest factor to getting your site ranked high in Google. 
But here’s the kicker… If you sign up using my affiliate link for Wealthy Affiliate, I will be notified and I will send you a welcome message. From that point on, you can contact me absolutely any time and I will help coach you through the process. If you ever feel overwhelmed or have questions you can’t find the answers to, I’m just a quick message away. I’m not only happy to return the favor for you clicking on my affiliate link, but this business is my passion, and I absolutely love watching people’s businesses grow. So, if you are looking for one more reason to join Wealthy Affiliate, use any of my Wealthy Affiliate links before you sign up and you’ll get free coaching from me personally.

This is the exact blueprint that let me wake up from weeks of almost ZERO activity after knee surgery… with all my bills paid, the rent taken care of, and an even fatter bank balance than when I went under the knife… and once you’ve gone through it once… you’re set. You can have complete peace of mind knowing you’re not going to have to start from scratch with a whole new “system” 6 weeks… 6 months… probably not even 6 years from now.


One thing I don’t like is that Wealthy Affiliate mainly focuses on beginner to intermediate trainings. While this makes sense as the vast majority of Wealthy Affiliate members are brand new to the industry, I would also love to see some more advanced training provided for those of us with a decade of experience in the industry. Sometimes even the pros like to be challenged!
Whether your affiliate marketing program has been outperforming each quarter, is stuck on autopilot or you’re just now starting to notice a decline in publisher activity, every advertiser can benefit from stepping back periodically and thinking about how to improve their overall efforts. You might be surprised that even the smallest changes can make a significant impact on your bottom line.
Using influencers to market your products or services is a great way to quickly saturate yourself into the marketplace, no matter what you're peddling. However, finding the right influencer at the right price is the hard part. You don't necessarily have to go to the top-tier influencers; you can also opt for micro-influencers (those that have 10,000 to 100,000 followers or fans).
How does it work? We send you newsletters with all the information necessary to participate in a campaign and once it’s live, you submit a link for us to review your submission. Upon campaign completion, we verify your submission against the provided requirements, check that your links/banners are working appropriately, and then bonus your account accordingly!
If you’re new to internet marketing and wish to get online as quickly and inexpensively as possible you can start with a social media platform like Facebook - you can create a business Facebook page in less than an hour. However, if you want more control over your online presence, a customized website is more appropriate. Ideally you should have both a website and a social media presence, with each linking to the other.

I use a combination of blogging, email marketing and reviews to drive affiliate sales. Not all promotions involve all three methods, but in most cases the biggest profits are made when I combine all three in a cohesive campaign. In fact, my entire online business currently leverages these resources and using them alone I generate over $200,000 a year with no employees, and compared to some, I’m a small fry – there are millionaires out there that use just these tools.


The new digital era has enabled brands to selectively target their customers that may potentially be interested in their brand or based on previous browsing interests. Businesses can now use social media to select the age range, location, gender and interests of whom they would like their targeted post to be seen by. Furthermore, based on a customer's recent search history they can be ‘followed’ on the internet so they see advertisements from similar brands, products and services,[38] This allows businesses to target the specific customers that they know and feel will most benefit from their product or service, something that had limited capabilities up until the digital era.
Internet Marketing Inc. is one of the fastest growing full service Internet marketing agencies in the country with offices in San Diego, and Las Vegas. We specialize in providing results driven integrated online marketing solutions for medium-sized and enterprise brands across the globe. Companies come to us because our team of well-respected industry experts has the talent and creativity to provide your business with a more sophisticated data-driven approach to digital marketing strategy. IMI works with some clients through IMI Ventures, and their first product is VitaCup.
I was far from blown away by my initial results at affiliate marketing, but I felt at least a little vindicated that I could make some sales. That initial affiliate product was a recurring subscription, so those first five or so sales I made kept bringing in a little over $60 a month, so it was certainly a good start, if less than what I was expecting at the time.

Thanks for the information packed review of WA. I am interested in signing up for WA under you, as a Premium member of $19, for the first month and then $49 monthly thereafter. However, every time I am trying to sign up for $19 first month package I am being taken to a page where I am being asked to sign up for the Starter or Free pack, which you have also pointed out is not available for India,where I am from and a few other countries. I’d be glad if you could email me the link to sign up for the first month Premium $19 package to my email address mentioned below at your earliest.
Thanks for your comment Kristof. I agree. Although there are other good programs out there, and I don’t mind recommending those either, I haven’t been able to find one that provides the level of education and tools that Wealthy Affiliate provides. Even more than that though is the community. It’s crazy how many people are there at WA and willing to help you with whatever you need.
On a personal note, I chased all kinds of strategies when I started, thinking there had to be some super-secret method of getting my website to rank… and years ago when search engines were not as smart as they are today, that was true. But not so much today. When I finally settled in and just followed what Kyle was telling me (to consistently put out quality content backed by good keyword research) that’s when I noticed a real improvement in my rankings and traffic numbers. Of course, time played a big part as well.
We have the capability to work with our clients’ internal content, creative, and email marketing teams or handle the whole campaign for them. We incorporate our proven strategic consulting services as part of our Email Marketing offerings in order to help our partner clients develop effective strategies for building their email lists. These consulting services include assistance with event planning, creative design, website and landing page email capture, and much more. We help our clients not only with engagement but new email acquisition, list segmentation and list cleansing.
My intent isn’t to make this Wealthy Affiliate review yet another digital sales pitch. As I searched for Wealthy Affiliate reviews, I noticed the vast majority of them are very one sided, don’t offer any other options, and are simply biased sales pitches from affiliate marketers trying to make a buck. So, in MY Wealthy Affiliate review, I’m going to do things a bit differently. Here are some of the topics I’d like to cover…
You’ll want to capture users’ emails regularly, both when they purchase…and even before they become a customer. You can use lead magnets or discounts to incentivize email sign-ups and using an email management service like MailChimp allows you to create triggered autoresponders that will automatically send out pre-made welcome email campaigns when they subscribe.
There’s no limits to the number of affiliate programs you sign up for so applying for one today will not prevent you from picking another one later on.  In fact, being a member of more affiliate programs simply gives you more options in terms of products to promote plus they’re pretty much all free to join.  You can always leave a program if it’s not working out for you or there are no products you want to promote.
My business, Pure Residuals, was developed and launched in July of 2013. It is my primary website, but one of many over the previous 10-15 years of earning real money online. I have made thousands of dollars selling other peoples' stuff for fantastic commissions and I truly enjoy doing it and teaching others how to get started and eventually become a full-time online marketer.
Finally, if you’re only planning on “dipping your toes in the water” to see what affiliate marketing is all about, do not sign up for the premium membership. The free membership is more than enough for you to see what it’s all about. Premium membership should be reserved for those who are actually serious about building a real business for themselves. If you aren’t in this for the long-haul, there is no reason to waste your money.

To become one of the top affiliate marketers making that much money, you’re going to have to decide how you are going to promote your affiliate product. To be successful, you need to refer customers to the affiliate website, and to do that you need to select a way to promote them. There are number of ways to promote a product. Some are totally free and others might be somewhat costly. Here is a list of the 7 best affiliate marketing promotional methods:
Display advertising - As the term infers, Online Display Advertisement deals with showcasing promotional messages or ideas to the consumer on the internet. This includes a wide range of advertisements like advertising blogs, networks, interstitial ads, contextual data, ads on the search engines, classified or dynamic advertisement etc. The method can target specific audience tuning in from different types of locals to view a particular advertisement, the variations can be found as the most productive element of this method.
In February 2000, Amazon announced that it had been granted a patent[18] on components of an affiliate program. The patent application was submitted in June 1997, which predates most affiliate programs, but not PC Flowers & Gifts.com (October 1994), AutoWeb.com (October 1995), Kbkids.com/BrainPlay.com (January 1996), EPage (April 1996), and several others.[13]

If you do decide to purchase Making Sense of Affiliate Marketing through my affiliate link, I’ll send you my Google Docs spreadsheet I use to track my passive income each month (affiliate, advertising, eBooks, etc.). It will have the labels, formulas, and everything, and you can customize based on what your income sources are. Just be sure to send a screenshot of your receipt to team@whereverwriter.com and we will get it over to you ASAP! Thank you!
Digital marketing planning is a term used in marketing management. It describes the first stage of forming a digital marketing strategy for the wider digital marketing system. The difference between digital and traditional marketing planning is that it uses digitally based communication tools and technology such as Social, Web, Mobile, Scannable Surface.[58][59] Nevertheless, both are aligned with the vision, the mission of the company and the overarching business strategy.[60]
How Stefan built his online business is the most authentic way, sure it can take a while but you’re building something that comes from the heart, instead of selling any kind of affiliate offer just for the money. Stefan’s business aligns with his life’s purpose so therefore the money he makes online means more to him because he’s actually impacting lives in a positive way.

Digital marketing planning is a term used in marketing management. It describes the first stage of forming a digital marketing strategy for the wider digital marketing system. The difference between digital and traditional marketing planning is that it uses digitally based communication tools and technology such as Social, Web, Mobile, Scannable Surface.[58][59] Nevertheless, both are aligned with the vision, the mission of the company and the overarching business strategy.[60]
In contrast, the European Union's "Privacy and Electronic Communications Directive" restricts websites' ability to use consumer data much more comprehensively. The EU limitations restrict targeting by online advertisers; researchers have estimated online advertising effectiveness decreases on average by around 65% in Europe relative to the rest of the world.[60]:58
When I say that I love Wealthy Affiliate, I’m not just saying that because I’m an affiliate for them. I’m a very active premium member at Wealthy Affiliate and love interacting with people on a daily basis. If you join, you’ll see me posting on people’s profiles, answering questions, chatting in the live chat area, and I have private personal messaging conversations multiple times per day.
Hi Jamie! Thank you for the great information. I just learned about affiliate marketing last week. The source however, is an older couple who work for World Wide Dreams Builders (WWDB). So, basically Amway. After researching a bit. I have no interest in WWDB and. (It sounds like years of recruiting people with minimal payout) Though, I am highly intrigued by e-commerce and affiliate marketing. Before your post the company I recognized was Amazon. Can you please tell me if that will be the best 1st step. I am currently an unemployed student Veteran. So plan to fully emerge into this business regime and would greatly appreciate your advice on this!!!
Yaro…Thanks again for some great information. I’ve been following you since I started blogging over a year ago. Unfortunately I haven’t had the funds to go all out and join in on your coaching and such, but I have really enjoyed reading all your free content. Your blogging has inspired me to stay with it and keep on plugging away. I have thought of throwing in the towel many a times, but you have always seemed to have great things to say to keep me going and I thank you for that. I emailed you when I first started and asked you for your advice to get me going, not really thinking I would get an email back from such a seasoned blogger, but you did! Your advice to me was to keep writing as much as I could. Write an article a week for 6 months and see what happens. Well your advice has payed off, maybe not so much in my pocket but as far as traffic, pretty good I think. Your are an inspiration to the blogging community and I’m looking forward to more great stuff!

In this new world of digital transparency brands have to be very thoughtful in how they engage with current and potential customers. Consumers have an endless amount of data at their fingertips especially through social media channels, rating and review sites, blogs, and more. Unless brands actively engage in these conversations they lose the opportunity for helping guide their brand message and addressing customer concerns.
Digital marketing became more sophisticated in the 2000s and the 2010s, when[13][14] the proliferation of devices' capable of accessing digital media led to sudden growth.[15] Statistics produced in 2012 and 2013 showed that digital marketing was still growing.[16][17] With the development of social media in the 2000s, such as LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube and Twitter, consumers became highly dependent on digital electronics in daily lives. Therefore, they expected a seamless user experience across different channels for searching product's information. The change of customer behavior improved the diversification of marketing technology.[18]
"I started my blog in March 2015 and didn't even know what affiliate marketing meant. And....I didn't do much about it. I think my largest month was around $500 last year and then died down to sometimes only a few bucks per month. It wasn't my focus, but I didn't realize I was leaving money on the table, meaning I was losing money every month! I decided to enroll in Michelle's course, and I quickly noticed I didn't know a thing when it came to true Affiliate Marketing! No wonder it just 'wasn't working for me'...
Digital marketing is probably the fastest-changing marketing field out there: New tools are being built, more platforms emerge and more channels need to be included into your marketing plan. How not to get overwhelmed while staying on top of the latest marketing trends? Here are a few tools that help you scale and automate some parts of your marketing routine making you a more productive and empowered marketer: Tools to Semi-Automate Marketing Tasks 1.
All our courses are beginners level. Even though the courses are beginners level, we advise, that you read the course material before taking your test. There are 50 questions in each exam. The passing score is 50%. The time limit is 60 minutes (i.e. 1 hour). This means, that you need to answer correct on at least 25 out of 50 questions, within 1 hour, in order to pass the test. The questions are multiple choice questions. Once you pass you can download your certification.
Wealthy Affiliate does have an affiliate program if you want to promote them, but that is not what their certification courses focus on. By teaching you the skills to market in any niche, not only do they avoid the saturation problem, but this encourages members to share their experiences and help one another because you are not direct competitors.

With possibly the most transparent affiliate network online, we give affiliates access to stats no other program dare, including earning data, conversion stats, demographic information and seasonality trends. With ethics and consumer protection being high on the agenda, you can rest assured when working with MoreNiche you are working with an honest, trustworthy and transparent company.

I was just reading your article and it seems like all of these experts are pointing primarily towards this one course – Wealthy Affiliate. Do you have anymore information about this course? What is it exactly and how does it work? Furthermore, I actually have a bit of experience myself with Affiliorama and I find that it’s so tough because of all the information. I get so overwhelmed. Is Wealthy Affiliate better in terms of this?

Hope all is well with you. I would like to thank you for the very helpful review. It’s been about a week now I have been researching Wealthy Affiliate. Should I, shouldn’t I, should I shouldn’t I. I believe I read your review about 4x. I’m excited to say I”M GOING IN!! I have no clue what my niche, skills, etc is but I know my goal is to help people and make some money doing it. I’m ready to put in the work and see results… (hopefully)
Because users have different operating systems, web browsers[84] and computer hardware (including mobile devices and different screen sizes), online ads may appear to users differently from how the advertiser intended, or the ads may not display properly at all. A 2012 comScore study revealed that, on average, 31% of ads were not "in-view" when rendered, meaning they never had an opportunity to be seen.[85] Rich media ads create even greater compatibility problems, as some developers may use competing (and exclusive) software to render the ads (see e.g. Comparison of HTML 5 and Flash).

A relative newcomer to the affiliate space, MaxBounty was founded in 2004 in Ottawa, Canada. MaxBounty claims to be the only affiliate network built specifically for affiliates. MaxBounty is exclusively a CPA (Cost Per Action/Acquisition) company that doesn’t deal with ad banners or the like, just customer links that the publisher (blogger) chooses where to place on their website.


The power of convincing is defined by your article, I found it very interesting in the many point mention with Wealthy Affiliate. I don’t really think people really don’t understand the power this community can change lives. You are a prime example based on your success report and the affiliate income report that anyone can achieve in owning their own business. I very encourage by your article it has made me think a little harder about what can I do to have my own success story and the answer is Wealthy Affiliate stick with it. I wish you greater success Tony and Thanks again for powerful article!
There are a number of ways brands can use digital marketing to benefit their marketing efforts. The use of digital marketing in the digital era not only allows for brands to market their products and services, but also allows for online customer support through 24/7 services to make customers feel supported and valued. The use of social media interaction allows brands to receive both positive and negative feedback from their customers as well as determining what media platforms work well for them. As such, digital marketing has become an increased advantage for brands and businesses. It is now common for consumers to post feedback online through social media sources, blogs and websites on their experience with a product or brand.[25] It has become increasingly popular for businesses to use and encourage these conversations through their social media channels to have direct contact with the customers and manage the feedback they receive appropriately.
Yes is the short answer. Any time you are planing on generating money, you should have a plan. No plan means no real focus. There may be some 1/1000 percent of a chance you will succeed, but I haven't met them yet. If you have already started and have generated an income, record how. Doing so will give you material for use in expanding your business faster.
The power of convincing is defined by your article, I found it very interesting in the many point mention with Wealthy Affiliate. I don’t really think people really don’t understand the power this community can change lives. You are a prime example based on your success report and the affiliate income report that anyone can achieve in owning their own business. I very encourage by your article it has made me think a little harder about what can I do to have my own success story and the answer is Wealthy Affiliate stick with it. I wish you greater success Tony and Thanks again for powerful article!
Okay, if you're still with me, fantastic. You're one of the few that doesn't mind wading through a little bit of hopeless murkiness to reemerge on the shores of hope. But before we jump too far ahead, it's important to understand what online marketing is and what it isn't. That definition provides a core understanding of what it takes to peddle anything on the web, whether it's a product, service or information.
With possibly the most transparent affiliate network online, we give affiliates access to stats no other program dare, including earning data, conversion stats, demographic information and seasonality trends. With ethics and consumer protection being high on the agenda, you can rest assured when working with MoreNiche you are working with an honest, trustworthy and transparent company.
But that doesn’t mean there is no opportunity. There are all kinds of search terms you can explore such as “how many days should I water fast?” or “can I drink coffee while water fasting?” Doing some keyword research it looks like the search term “water fasting rules” gets a decent amount of searches but not many relevant articles. Similar articles… but no one is addressing that specific search term. An article like “The 22 Water Fasting Rules” you need to know has a good chance of ranking well and getting traffic.
Email marketing is the practice of nurturing leads and driving sales through email communications with your customers. Like social media, the goal is to remind users that you’re here and your product is waiting. Unlike social media, however, you can be a lot more aggressive with your sales techniques, as people expect that email marketing will contain offers, product announcements and calls to action.

Influencer marketing: Important nodes are identified within related communities, known as influencers. This is becoming an important concept in digital targeting. It is possible to reach influencers via paid advertising, such as Facebook Advertising or Google Adwords campaigns, or through sophisticated sCRM (social customer relationship management) software, such as SAP C4C, Microsoft Dynamics, Sage CRM and Salesforce CRM. Many universities now focus, at Masters level, on engagement strategies for influencers.
When you decide to promote, or point traffic to, eBay.com, you’ll use an affiliate link. An affiliate link includes a unique ID given to you by the merchant – at EPN, we call this a Campaign ID. Then, when someone clicks on your affiliate link, the affiliate ID gets stored on that person’s browser within a text file known as a cookie. The EPN cookie contains several pieces of information, called “parameters”, including Campaign ID, to help us track the eBay shopping activity of users after they click on your link to ensure you get paid a commission.affiliate-tracking
Hey Harish, thanks for stopping by… and, definitely don’t give up. There is a multitude of reasons people feel that making money online is a scam. They may have been burned by a scam in the past. They may have gone in with false expectations (probably because some guru told them it was easy) and gave up to soon… thinking, “if I can’t make it work, it must be scam.” They may have just bumped into scam after scam on social media or somewhere else and assume everything is scam. All legitimate reasons, and most of us have been there before as well.

Conversion rate optimization is still possibly one of the most underutilized but critical functions of digital marketing. Every element of digital marketing is useless without considering conversion rates. This goes for SEO, SEM, Social Media, Email, and Display. The power of your SEO rankings are only as good as your click through rates and your traffic is only valuable of your website and landing pages foster some type of “action.” Why spend all the time and energy driving traffic through multiple different channels if you are not willing to spend the time and energy on conversion optimization? Yet many brands and agencies still put less emphasis on this crucial piece of the puzzle.


To help save your time, I’m going to just tell you what program I think works best and the program that I am STILL a part of to this very day. After months of searching, I got a recommendation from a friend to check out Wealthy Affiliate. Needless to say, I was pretty blown away by it. They offer every tool you’ll need to grow your business and they train you on how to use all those tools. You will also get access to their training which gives you all the information you need to know in the order you need to know it in.
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